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Runtu : most likely did not have sex with married women…  /  http://stihi.ru/2023/12/14/3287 / The USA


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Runtu : most likely did not have sex with married women…  /  http://stihi.ru/2023/12/14/3287 / The USA

Even if we grant that this unattributed statement definitely claims that “eternity-only” sealings were practiced

(I am not sure it necessarily means that at all),

 it doesn’t mean that “several women” said that such were their marriages.

You may notice that most of the footnotes regarding this subject are to Hales’s book, not to firsthand testimony.

This insistence that “several” marriages were of the eternity-only variety is central to the essay’s central theme that we know some marriages weren’t sexual, and we don’t know enough about the other ones:

During the era in which plural marriage was practiced, Latter-day Saints distinguished between sealings for time and eternity and sealings for eternity only.

Sealings for time and eternity included commitments and relationships during this life, generally including the possibility of sexual relations.


Eternity-only sealings indicated relationships in the next life alone.

Evidence indicates that Joseph Smith participated in both types of sealings.

 The exact number of women to whom he was sealed in his lifetime is unknown because the evidence is fragmentary.

Some of the women who were sealed to Joseph Smith later testified that their marriages were for time and eternity, while others indicated that their relationships were for eternity alone.

Here again the emphasis is on eternity-only sealings, with “time and eternity” sealings only “generally including the possibility of sexual relations.”

 So, even the “time and eternity” sealings may not have involved sexuality. This is an important assertion, as it is used to support the idea that Joseph’s relationships with married women were not sexual.

Following his marriage to Louisa Beaman and before he married other single women, Joseph Smith was sealed to a number of women who were already married.

Neither these women nor Joseph explained much about these sealings, though several women said they were for eternity alone.

Other women left no records, making it unknown whether their sealings were for time and eternity or were for eternity alone.

Polyandry is very troubling to a lot of people

(and for good reason),

but if the church’s essay is correct, most of

these women left no record,

 and those who did said the relationships

were “for eternity alone.”

This essay thus goes a long way in comforting the troubled,

who can rest assured that Joseph Smith most likely did not

 have sex with married women.

But is the essay correct in this assertion?

Thus far, the essay has given only nebulous references to “several” and “others” with the footnotes sending us to Hales. But there is one direct statement from one of the wives that is cited as evidence of “eternity alone” sealings:

Helen Mar Kimball spoke of her sealing to Joseph as being “for eternity alone,” suggesting that the relationship did not involve sexual relations.

This is important, as Helen was 14 years old at the time of her marriage to Joseph Smith.

A lot of people are appalled when they hear about this, as they assume that, given the marriage, Joseph and Helen must have had a sexual relationship.

Some have gone so far as to insist that this marriage means Joseph was a “podophile.”

If the essay is correct, that Helen clearly stated that her relationship was “for eternity alone,” the church can confidently leave open the possibility that many of Joseph Smith’s marriages, including Helen’s and the polyandrous marriages, were not sexual in nature.

When I read the essay, my first thought was that, although I had read Helen’s writings many times, I had never seen a direct statement that her marriage was for “eternity alone.” I wondered how I had missed it.

The footnote was, unsurprisingly, a reference to Hales, so I was going to have to find the reference myself.

 With a little work, I did.

It comes in the second line of a poem Helen wrote about her marriage to Joseph Smith (the entire poem is reprinted here).

I thought through this life my time will be my own
The step I now am taking’s for eternity alone,

No one need be the wiser, through time I shall be free,
And as the past hath been the future still will be.

To my guileless heart all free from worldly care
And full of blissful hopes and youthful visions rare

The world seamed bright the threatening clouds were kept
From sight and all looked fair but pitying angels wept.

They saw my youthful friends grow shy and cold.
And poisonous darts from slanderous tongues were hurled,

Untutored heart in thy generous sacrifice,
Thou didn’t not weigh the cost nor know the bitter price;

Thy happy dreams all o’er thou’st doomed also to be
Bar’d out from social scenes by this thy destiny,

And o’er thy sad’nd mem’ries of sweet departed joys
Thy sicken’d heart will brood and imagine future woes,

And like a fetter’d bird with wild and longing heart,
Thou’lt daily pine for freedom and murmur at thy lot;


In context, then, Helen writes that, as a young girl, she had “thought” that the marriage was “for eternity alone” but had been mistaken.

Before anyone attacks me for suggesting that Joseph had sex with a 14-year-old, I am not saying that at all.

 For the record, I agree with Todd Compton that the evidence in Helen’s case is “ambiguous,” and there is no evidence of a sexual relationship.

The problem here is that contrary to the essay, Helen Mar Kimball did not speak “of her sealing to Joseph as being ‘for eternity alone.'”

Her statement, then, cannot be used to suggest

 “that the relationship did not involve sexual relations.”

As I said, there is no evidence one way or the other regarding sexuality in that marriage. Helen’s complaints about her social life tell us that she was not free to be courted by other male suitors, and that suggests that whatever else was happening, the marriage was in effect for time, as well as for eternity.

 I tend to agree with Todd Compton that the marriage may have been more “dynastic” than the romantic relationships Joseph had with his other wives, but in all honesty, there’s really no solid evidence for that, either.

But Helen’s experience can’t be applied to Joseph’s other marriages, many of which definitely involved a sexual relationship.

A single anonymous citation does not suggest that none of the polyandrous marriages were sexual; indeed, there is strong evidence to the contrary, but you wouldn’t know that from reading this essay.


And that’s really the problem. Where there is solid evidence,

the church downplays its significance, and where the evidence

 is inconclusive, the church applies it broadly. And in the case

 of Helen Kimball, the church simply quotes her out of context

 to give an incorrect impression.


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2024 Автор Юри Рюнтю о Русской Речи: / http://stihi.ru/diary/yuri2005/2023-12-07 / 2023


Русская напевность и растяжка длиннот в звуке,
Русская неторопливая вязь слов,
Русское ощущение природы и человека,
Русская внутренняя скромность,
Русская духовность за 1025 лет,
Русское православие за 1025 лет,
Русская обрядность… 1025 лет.
Как много чистого и красивого - в этих смысловых звукосочетаниях...


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2024 автор / http://proza.ru/2006/04/14-339 / Рюнтю Юри 18 Лeт 2006-2024 на Проза. Pу / http://proza.ru/2023/11/02/800 / 2024


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TEATP учит : распознавать гнев до его превращения в насилие.


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TEATP Авторa Юри Рюнтю : Драма о Пророке Mухаммеде и Красавице и Умнице жене Xадидже :


Биография основателя ислама, Великого пророка Мухаммеда:


родился 22 апреля 571, в городе - Мекке


скончался 8 июня 632, в городе - Медине


В Медине - его гробница — место поклонения десятков миллионов пилигримов Ислама.

TEATP Авторa Юри Рюнтю 2022 : Театральная Пьеса : Драма - Пророк Mухаммед и Xадиджа - как - Эталоны Человеческой Морали и Семьи, и как - Выдающиеся Личности и Высокая Интеллектуальная и Духовная Элита Человечества : Историческая Драма на Исламскую тему и Мировая Культура : Россия - Европа - Азия и Арабский Мир : 575-620 г.г./ http://stihi.ru/2022/03/13/9014 / Iouri Runtu: French / Юри Рюнтю : Russian / Uri Runtu: English Yuri Ryuntyu / Canberra ACT Australia : 2022


Мухаммед и Иисус Христос для нас символы духовности и эталоны чести, морали и общечеловеческого достоинства в отношениях между людьми на земле.


Их человеческие качества, особая чувствительность и восточный колорит душевности, помогли мне подняться до темы, которую я решил раскрыть для собратьев христиан.


Теплота друзей из мусульман вокруг меня - открыла путь, о котором я не догадывался. Я взглянул на Коран - их глазами. Коран распахнул мое европейское сердце. И тут я понял, что суть Святой Книги - КОРАНА - родилась из мусульманской семьи. Здесь - семейные разговоры в семье Mухаммеда и Xадиджи - и осмысление : Сути и Предназначенности Человеческой Жизни и Космического Мироздания с присутствием БОГА. Живым Источником всего на Свете - были отношения между : Мужем и Женой, чем и была : их святая и трепетная любовь : Любовь Пророка Mухаммеда и Xадиджи... Все ЭТО - выражено мной с Трепетом и Уважением в текстах пьесы " Пророк Mухаммед и Xадиджа : 575-620 годы " к их Грандиозным Судьбам. Моя любовь к НИМ - искренна и смиренна.



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